'Providence or Atoms? Providence!' by Chris Fisher

Providence or Atoms
A Very Brief Defense of the Stoic Worldview

by Christopher Fisher


Editorial note: Marcus Aurelius famously at times questioned his own Stoic world view that the universe was providentially ordered, wondering if instead nature was comprised of the movement of random atoms. In this piece, Chris Fisher defends the Stoic world view that the world is providentially ordered. In tomorrow’s piece, Donald Robertson takes a more sceptical approach, albeit from the same starting point.
‘If I know Providence, I know my good and can follow it; so, no complaint. If I know not my good, I do not in reality know Providence. So if I complain, I complain of a specter and not a Deity: I complain as an animal, not as a man.’
~ Antony, Earl of Shaftesbury[1]

Either providence or atoms. By repeated use of this simple disjunction, Marcus Aurelius condensed and contrasted the worldviews proposed by the Stoics and the Epicureans, and emphasized the importance of the choice for those who wish to live according to Nature. Marcus understood what many modern readers of Stoicism overlook: the choice between these opposing worldviews has psychological and ethical implications for anyone attempting to live the excellent and flourishing life described by the Stoics.

The division between the Stoics and Epicureans over the nature of the cosmos is renowned. This was not a sterile academic debate over the minutia of philosophical terms or concepts. It was a deep divide over how one should view the cosmos and live in it as a rational being. Each argued forcefully for their own worldview because they believed there were consequences to the lives of their practitioners. The chasm between the providentially ordered cosmos of the Stoics and the random atomic universe of the Epicureans was deep and wide, and it could not be bridged. Thus, as Marcus asserts, one must make a choice between them—either providence or atoms.

For the Epicureans, acceptance of providence invited the gods into the lives of humans, and this they believed was a primary source of psychological distress. Conversely, for the Stoics, a rational and providential cosmos provided psychological and emotional support which helped them live virtuously and flourish regardless of external circumstances. The Stoics revered an immanent God as the providential force within Nature; the Epicureans regarded the gods as disquieting intruders in our lives and celebrated their disinterest in human affairs. The difference between these worldviews is insurmountable; additionally, as Marcus Aurelius makes quite clear with his repeated use of the disjunction ‘providence or atoms,’ the Stoics considered the choice important.

What is Providence?

Our English word providence is derived from the Latin word providentia. Cicero and Seneca used providentia to translate the Greek word pronoia (προνοια).

Christopher Gill defines pronoia as ‘providential rationality and care.’[2] F. E. Peters defines pronoia as ‘forethought’ or ‘providence,’ and writes,

“The early history of the concept of providence is to be seen in the emergence, from Diogenes to Aristotle, of a notion of intelligent purpose (telos, q.v.) operating in the universe. In all of these thinkers it is clearly associated with the intelligent God whose features begin to appear in the later Plato… and in Aristotle. For the Stoics the immanent Logos governs all by nous and pronoia (D.L. VII, 138; SVF I, 176).”[3]

Providence entails the causal determinism of the mechanistic worldview used by modern sciences. Causal determinism is an ancient concept which simply means every event is necessitated by prior (antecedent) events. Stoics refer to this as a causal chain or web. Providence infers divine cause and purpose to this chain of events. Therefore, there are no accidents or miracles; just causes, which rely on prior causes, which ultimately rely on God as the ultimate cause.

Providence and Stoicism

Edward Arnold offers a beautiful portrait of providence within Stoicism,

It is a principal dogma of the Stoics that ‘the universe is ruled by providence.’ Cicero indeed assures us that the word ‘providence’ is merely an abbreviation for ‘the providence of the gods,’ and that the dogma really asserts that ‘ the universe is ruled by the gods with foresight’… If ‘providence’ is on the one hand interpreted as God’s providence, it is on the other hand equivalent to Nature, and again to the Mind of the universe; it is the Logos, the universal Law, the creative force; not merely an attribute, but a manifestation and bodily presentment of deity.[4]

Providence is central to Stoicism. Without providence, Stoic ethical theory losses much of its coherence, and the psychological consolations of its therapeutic practices are greatly diminished.

Marcus Aurelius understood its importance, and accepted the Stoic worldview, which includes a rationally ordered and providential cosmos.

Additionally, Marcus relied on the Stoic theory of psychology, which asserts that our emotions are connected to our value judgments. Therefore, he understood how one’s accepted worldview can affect their judgments of events in the world. In his Meditations, Marcus links acceptance of a providential worldview to a ‘cheerful mind’ (2.3) and sees within it a call to action (2.4). Again, in Meditations 4.3.5, he suggests our resentment of the circumstance of our lives is the result of denying providence.[5]

Likewise, Seneca emphasized providence by highlighting the causal link between the trials we face in life and the development of our personal virtue. Thus, Seneca declares, “Fire tests gold, misfortune brave men”[6] as a source of consolation and inspiration for those who undergo seeming misfortunes in life. Approximately ten years prior to Seneca’s death a young slave was born in Asia Minor who would be tested by those fires of providence. His name was Epictetus, and he did indeed prove to be gold. As a result of his trials, Epictetus would come to esteem the subject of providence above all others.[7]

The philosophers say that the first thing that needs to be learned is the following, that there is a God, and a God who exercises providential care for the universe… (Discourses 2.14.11)[8]

Epictetus also provides a defense of providence by linking it to his distinction between what is ‘up to us’ and ‘not up to us.’

What are we to do, then? To make the best of what lies within our power, and deal with everything else as it comes. ‘How does it come, then?’ As God wills. (Discourses 1.1.17)

A strong reliance on providence was not unique to Seneca, Epictetus, and Marcus Aurelius. Quite the contrary. If anyone doubts the importance of providence in Stoicism consider the criticism offered by Plutarch,

…that the universal nature and the universal reason of nature are destiny and providence and Zeus, of this not even the Antipodes are unaware, for the Stoics keep harping on this everywhere…[9]

Plutarch complained that even those residing in the farthest corners of the earth had heard the Stoic arguments for providence, since they harped on them everywhere.

The debate over these opposing worldviews divided Hellenistic thinkers and philosophical schools. Moreover, history records the influence of this debate on Western thought since that time; it predates the Stoics and Epicureans and still reverberates just below the surface of thought and culture today.

For most people, however, providence is a foreign concept. It became a casualty of Western thought during the progression from the Enlightenment to modernity.[10] While the concept of providence is pervasive in the extant Stoic texts, and was the subject of several lost Stoic books, today one is unlikely to confront this concept outside of a seminary. Modern scientists and philosophers rely on the concept of causal determinism. Nevertheless, most reject teleology and the concept of a providential cosmos.

The Stoics recognized there is an intelligence in the order of the cosmos which infers meaning to our lives. Unfortunately, this idea is not given consideration by the majority of moderns studying and practicing Stoicism. Thus, the twenty-first century popularization of Stoicism is occurring without any discussion of providence in spite of the fact that this concept was traditionally considered essential. In part, this is a byproduct of our secular age.[11] The concept of providence evokes religious connotations and turns many moderns away without further consideration. Additionally, many modern popularizers of Stoicism are themselves atheists and are therefore steering modern Stoicism away from its foundational teachings in physics and theology and toward a recently envisioned secularized version of Stoic ethics. This is unfortunate primarily because providence plays a central role in Stoic practice and psychological well-being.

Certainly, one can benefit from the ethical practices of Stoicism without consideration of the Stoic worldview in general, or providence in particular. The creators and practitioners of Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT) and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) have aptly demonstrated that fact. Nevertheless, it appears the Stoics believed their conception of a providential cosmos fortified the thought changing power, and life changing effectiveness of their therapeutic practices. The extant texts support the idea that a proper understanding of providence will help the Stoic practitioner extinguish anger, overcome discontent with their life circumstances, and thereby help them develop the virtue necessary for a good flow in life (eudaimonia). There is no reason why modern Stoics cannot benefit in the same way.

Why Providence is Important

The concept of a providential cosmos provides psychological comfort and supports the ethical framework of Stoicism. When the threads of providence are unraveled from the fabric of Stoicism, the whole tapestry begins to fall apart, and the practitioner is left without the essential therapeutic tools the Stoics thought were necessary to face the vicissitudes of life.

The connection between modern cognitive therapies, such as CBT, and Stoicism is well documented.[12] Moreover, the connection between a person’s worldview and their perception of events is understood by CBT practitioners. As Jean-Baptiste Gouryat explains, cognitive therapy is based on three hypotheses, the first of which is, “one’s behavior springs from one’s view of oneself and the world, and our psychological difficulties and disturbances derive from these views and from our (misconceived) perception of external events.”[13] The Stoics also understood this connection, and relied a providential cosmos as the foundation for their therapeutic practices. Thus, Marcus could make the connection between an emotional state of discontent with life’s circumstances, and trust in a providential cosmos.

But perhaps you are discontented with what is allotted to you from the whole? Then call to mind the alternative, ‘either providence or atoms’ and all the proofs that the universe should be regarded as a kind of constitutional state. (Meditations 4.3.5)[14]

Christopher Gill suggests that Marcus repeats the ‘providence or atoms’ disjunction in the above passage, “and sometimes elsewhere” in Meditations, “simply to reassure himself of the providential nature of the universe (that it is a ‘kind of city’), as assumed in Stoic theory”[15] and “to reaffirm his conviction in the Stoic world-view and thus provide himself with ethical and emotional support.”[16]

Epictetus’ Prescription for Psychological Resilience

Epictetus’ Discourse, On Providence, opens with a powerful prescription for psychological resilience.

From everything that happens in the universe it is easy to praise providence, if one has within him two things: the faculty of taking a comprehensive view of the things that happen to each person and a sense of gratitude. (Discourses 1.6)

Here, Epictetus prescribes two qualities one must develop for psychological resilience. The first involves taking a “comprehensive view of things that happen.” This ‘view from above’ allows us to consider events from the perspective of the whole rather than from our own individual self-interest. Once we understand the nature of the cosmos and our place in it, we begin to understand that external events are neither good nor bad, in a moral sense, because they are beyond our control. The only events which have moral implications for us are those we can control—our judgments. External events cannot harm our inner Self; only our thoughts about events can.

The second part of Epictetus’ prescription involves developing a “sense of gratitude” for everything that happens. Stoicism does not promote a shallow Pollyanna attitude which attempts to put a positive spin on events. Instead, the Stoic concept of providence offers insight and meaning about the nature of reality and human existence. The cosmic perspective helps us deal with life’s tragedies. How? By teaching us to take control of what is ‘up to us’—our judgements of events—and to love and praise what we cannot control—our fate.

Gratitude is what distinguishes a love of one’s fate from resignation and fatalism. There is no resignation in Seneca, Epictetus, or Marcus because each embraced fate with a sense of gratitude and used it to fulfill their unique mission in life. This sentiment is eloquently expressed by Marcus Aurelius:

Everything suits me that suits your designs, O my universe. Nothing is too early or too late for me that is in your own good time. All is fruit for me that your seasons bring, O nature. (Meditations 4.23)

Life is often challenging and we do not control the circumstances we face; however, we do control our thoughts about those circumstances. Trials can make us bitter or they can make us better. The choice is ours. The analogy of a dog tied to a cart is prevalent in Stoic literature. However, our tendency is to focus on the dog being compelled or dragged, rather than on the freedom the dog has to willingly follow.

They too [Zeno and Chrysippus] affirmed that everything is fated, with the following model. When a dog is tied to a cart, if it wants to follow it is pulled and follows, making its spontaneous act coincide with necessity, but if it does not want to follow it will be compelled in any case. So it is with men too: even if they do not want to, they will be compelled in any case to follow what is destined.[17]

In this analogy, freedom can only be found by following where fate leads. By willingly following the cart, the dog creates slack in the rope which affords it freedom to move within the constraints of the rope’s length. Alternatively, if the dog resists, it will be dragged, yelping all the way. Analogously, our freedom comes from willingly following fate. By accepting the constraints determined by Nature and human nature, we discover the freedom of our unique individual nature and thereby become coauthors of our destiny. Or, we will be dragged through life, yelping all the way.


Those words from Walt Whitman’s poem of the same title, have echoed in the minds of countless people who have questioned the meaning of life. Many of us have expressed a similar feeling at one time or another. Often, it is simply giving voice to a momentary frustration. Occasionally however, circumstances overwhelm us and the initial lament—“O me! O life!”—reverberates and develops into an agonizing and soul-searching questions, “Why me? Why this life?

Trust in a providential cosmos provides consolation for those who have felt the angst of Whitman’s refrain, by shining a light into the darkness of the existential abyss and allowing us to find purpose and meaning in our life.Whitman’s own answer is his poetic refrain is profound:

That you are here—that life exists and identity,

That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.[18]

We do not get to pick all the actors or write many of the lines in our play. We do not know how long we will be on stage, nor do we know how many of the scenes will be tragic or comedic. Nevertheless, the powerful play goes on and is incomplete without our participation. Nature casts each of us in a unique role where we may contribute a verse. Or, we can stomp our feet and cry because we do not like the play, or our role:

I don’t want a supporting role, I want the lead role!
— Then you will lament, and have a troubled mind.[19]

I don’t want these actors around me, I want different actors!
— Then you will lament, and have a troubled mind.

I don’t think what happens to my character is fair!
— Then you will lament, and have a troubled mind.

Providence requires our willing participation so we can become what Nature intends. As Epictetus points out in Discourses 1.6, Hercules was molded by his challenges. Without the lion, hydra, boar, and the unjust and brutal men, Hercules’ true nature would never have been known; those trials revealed his greatness. Likewise our trials will mold us and reveal our excellence of character. That is, if we focus on what is ‘up to us’ and trust the rest to a providential cosmos.

Come now, haven’t you been endowed with faculties that enable you to bear whatever may come about? Haven’t you been endowed with greatness of soul? And with courage? And with endurance? If only I have greatness of soul, what reason is left for me to be worried about anything that may come to pass? What can disconcert or trouble me, or seem in any way distressing? Shall I fail to apply my capacities to the end for which I have received them, but instead groan and lament about things that come about? (Discourses 1.6.28-29)

In another passage, Epictetus likens providence to a trainer who prepares us for life’s hardship.

It is difficulties that reveal what men amount to; and so, whenever you’re struck by a difficulty, remember that God, like a trainer in the gymnasium, has matched you against a tough young opponent.

‘For what purpose?’ someone asks.

So that you may become an Olympic victor; and that is something that can’t be achieved without sweat. It seems to me that no one has had a difficulty that gives a better opportunity than the one you now have, if only you’re willing to tackle it as an athlete tackles his young adversary. (Discourses 1.24.1-2)

Providence or Atoms Today

Marcus Aurelius repeatedly reminded himself of the difference between the Stoic and Epicurean worldviews because he understood the choice between them made an important difference in his life. Our understanding of Nature has increased exponentially since the Hellenistic Age. Nevertheless, we face the same essential choice today—either providence or atoms? Either the cosmos is rationally ordered and providential; or, is it the result of meaningless, serendipitous, chance. Many mistakenly assume this is a religion versus science debate; it is not. One need not subscribe to any religion to assent to the idea of a rational, providential cosmos.

While Stoicism was a spiritual practice for the ancient Stoics, it bears no similarity to traditional religion beyond personal piety toward God. Stoicism is a philosophical system meant to be lived as a way of life. While some of its therapeutic practices are spiritual in nature, the path of Stoicism involves internal comprehension and coherence with Nature, rather than conversion and conformity to dogma. The philosophical God of Stoicism is not our grandfather’s God. Stoics trust in the rationality of their minds rather than revelation.

Human psyches need to be tethered to something lest they risk drifting aimlessly into the dark abyss of meaninglessness. Even some atheists are beginning to openly acknowledging that we are in need of something to fill the ‘existential vacuum’[20] left by the nineteenth century death of God. As Sam Keen observed,

We exist in a God-shaped vacuum. That which is no longer present (but is not completely absent) gives shape to our aspirations and longings.

Although longing seems to be perennial, the historical tide of faith ebbs and flows. Currently in the industrialized nations it seems to have receded, depositing its driftwood of nihilism and violence on the shore, leaving us devoid of a vision of the sacred that we need in order to create a hopeful society. We suffer from a spiritual autoimmune disease. Lacking antibodies of faith to keep us from despair, we attack ourselves.[21]

Keen further warns,

It is doubtful that the imperatives springing from modern secularism can create a civil community… I can’t help wondering if the idea of a secular civilization is an oxymoron, a failed dream of the Enlightenment.[22]

Sam Keen is not alone in his concern. The chorus of atheist and humanist voices, calling for something more than unbelief, has risen to a crescendo in recent decades. This is apparent from the titles of recently published books: In the Absence of God; Religion for Atheists; Religion Without God; The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality; etc. Even Sam Harris, one of the ‘Four Horsemen’ of New Atheism, recently published, Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion. Harris is still opposed to traditional religions; yet, he reveals an epiphany he had about the ruins of those religions, “I now understood that important psychological truths could be found in the rubble.”[23] Moreover, he now concedes, “there is more to understanding the human condition than science and secular culture generally admit.”[24]

At the dawn of this new millennium, many people are becoming aware of the existential vacuum we successfully ignored in the past. This may, in part, explain the recent widespread interest in Stoicism in the west, where an Epicurean mindset formerly reigned supreme. It appears the veneer of meaning left behind by our religious traditions is beginning to crack, and nihilism is leaching into our individual psyches and collective zeitgeist. Our “unacknowledged inheritance from a rich godfather”[25] has been spent; we are now spiritually bankrupt and forced to support our own psychological well-being without the ability to do so. Unexpectedly, many of us find ourselves vulnerable and longing for more than unbelief. Yet, we cannot return to the intellectual bondage of traditional religions our Enlightenment ancestors freed us from.

Fortunately, Stoicism offers us a way forward. It provides a meaningful, spiritual alternative without the supernaturalism, revelation, and dogma of traditional religion. Stoicism guides us along an ancient path, which circumnavigates the existential abyss of meaninglessness without requiring abdication of our rational mind. It begins by teaching us to use our rational faculty to distinguish between what is ‘up to us’ and what is not. Circumstances beyond our control can take away our wealth, health, good reputation, and loved ones. However, circumstances cannot affect our psychological well-being if we learn to judge them properly as things ‘not up to us.’

Once we understand the irrationality of attempting to control what is not up to us, we can begin to consider the path pointed to by the Stoics. At the beginning of the path we will need to get a clear picture of our human nature, and our unique individual nature. Next, we must excavate our desires and aversions since these distract us from the pursuit of our primary goal—the attainment of an excellent (virtuous) life.

Finally, we must grasp our expanded role as citizens of the cosmos. We are individuals; however, we are also interdependent social beings. Each of us is a part of the whole and virtue cannot be developed in isolation. Therefore, to practice the virtues of practical wisdom, temperance, courage, and justice, each of us must live in society as a friend, partner, spouse, parent, responsible citizen, etc.

The deep spiritual practice of Stoicism depends on trust in a providential cosmos. While the concept of providence is not difficult to grasp, many moderns attempting to practice Stoicism will find it difficult to assent to. Regrettably, many object to providence without giving it full consideration. This may be due to its religious implications, or because they simply do not realize how essential providence is to Stoic ethical theory and practice.

Trust in providence allows us to take a step back from our circumstances and view the whole of our life from a distance. We are often unable to see the whole picture because we are too close—too focused on the individual events. When we step back, a different picture begins to emerge. The threads of painful events and difficult circumstances are still there; yet, they are woven into the tapestry of our life. This perspective of the whole allows our judgments of the parts to dissolve into equanimity. Additionally, this panoramic view of our whole life, allows us to see the causal chain of providence playing itself out. We begin to understand how each of those events was a necessary causal link in the story of our life; they are now part of the person we have become. More importantly, a view of the whole may reveal a trajectory to our life we did not see before, and this may open our minds to new possibilities for our future.

The Stoic providential worldview deserves our honest consideration because of its inherent psychological power to change our lives.Providence can be a big pill to swallow for moderns because the concept is foreign to our secular age. Thus, we often resist fate and allow bitter circumstances to sit on our tongue like a dissolving pill, a little too long. We refuse to swallow until the bitterness becomes so unpleasant we cannot do otherwise. As a result, we often become discontented and angry about the circumstances of our lives.

Stoicism teaches us there is a better way. We can choose to follow the cart of fate willingly, with gratitude for the life we have been given. We can take control of what is ‘up to us’ and leave the rest to providence. Or, we can continue to get dragged through life yelping all the way. The choice is ours and the choice is critically important to our psychological well-being.

Either providence or atoms.

[1] Rand, B. (2005). The life, unpublished letters and philosophical regimen of Antony, Earl of Shaftesbury. London: Adamant Media Corporation. p. 44
[2] Gill, C. (2013) Marcus Aurelius Meditations, Books 1-6, Oxford: Oxford University Press, p. 90
[3] Peters, F. (1967) Greek Philosophical Terms, New York: New York University Press, p. 164
[4] Arnold, E. (1911) Roman Stoicism, Cambridge, MA: The University Press, pp. 203-4
[5] See Gill (2013) p. 121, for a superb analysis of this passage.
[6] On Providence 5.10
[7] Dobbins, R. (1998) Epictetus Discourses Book 1, New York: Oxford University Press, p. 101
[8] Hard, R. (2014) Epictetus: Discourses, Fragments, Handbook, with an introduction an notes by C. Gill, Oxford: Oxford University Press. (all quotations from the Discourses are from this translation)
[9] Cherniss, H. (1976) (ed.) Plutarch Moralia, xiii, Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1050A-B
[10] See Lloyd, G. (2008). Providence Lost, Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, for a brilliant historical analysis of the demise of providence in western philosophical thought.
[11] See Taylor, C. (2007). A Secular Age, Cambridge, MA: Belknap, for a thorough exposition of our current secular age, how we arrived here, and what it means.
[12] Robertson, D. (2010). The philosophy of cognitive-behavioural therapy (CBT). London: Karnac
[13] Gourinat, J. (2009). Stoicism Today. IRIS, 1(2), p. 510.
[14] Hard, R. (2011) Marcus Aurelius Meditations, with an introduction and notes by C. Gill, Oxford: Oxford University Press. (all quotations from Meditations are from this translation)
[15] Gill (2013), p. 121
[16] Ibid, p. lxix
[17] Long, A. A., & Sedley, D. N. (1990). The Hellenistic philosophers. Cambridge: University Press, 62A
[18] Walt W. (1993) OH ME! OH LIFE!, Leaves of Grass, New York: Random House, p. 221
[19] see Enchiridion 1
[20] Frankl, V (1992). Man’s search for meaning, Boston, MA: Beacon Press
[21] Keen, S. (2010) In the Absence of God, New York: Harmony Books, pp.3-4.
[22] Ibid, p. 12
[23] Harris, S. (2014) Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion. New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 5
[24] Ibid, p. 6
[25] Keen, p. 12
Chris Fisher is a law enforcement detective in Florida, USA.  He studied Stoicism through the College of Stoic Philosophers, where he now mentors other students.  Chris is a board member of New Stoa, and a founding member of the Society of Epictetus.

13 thoughts on 'Providence or Atoms? Providence!' by Chris Fisher

  1. J. Adkins says:

    A Placebo isn’t Philosophy.

  2. I agree with most everything you’ve said in this excellent article except the idea that there isn’t a conflict between theology and science. From the Big Bang through the nuclear explosions that formed the galaxies to the accidental genetic mutations, modern science is firmly wedded to chance and probability. Even our own evidently teleological consciousness is denied by behaviorism and neuroscience.(My brain made me do it). Organic growth looks like the exception rather than the model for nature as the ancients taught.

  3. I read Chris Fisher’s thought provoking article with much interest. If I saw any indication of Providence in my own life I would embrace the concept. Unfortunately (for me perhaps?) I do not and I come down firmly on the side of Epicurus. I wonder whether those who accept Providence do so because they choose to accept it. In the same way that some religious people decide they are going to believe. The decision comes from the choice and not from facts or reason.
    I tend to the view that what happens happens and nothing else is possible. As a consequence a strong dose of acceptance and dealing with what happens is useful in life. I take the bleak view that my life has as much meaning as that of a dog, a worm or an ant. For all that I am not unhappy and there is much satisfaction in life regardless of whether there is Providence.
    If there is Providence I expect that it will affect myself as much as those who think it exists. This contrasts with the opinion of a Christian friend who insists that only an acceptance of Jesus can lead to a good after life. As I’ve told him I cannot choose to believe what seems to me to be incredible. I hope that his God, (who seems to have many human and savage characteristics) should he exist, would not deal with me unkindly for being honest.

  4. Nigel Glassborow says:

    I would agree that a placebo is not a philosophy.
    Unfortunately Chris Fisher’s piece does come across as presenting Providence as a placebo.
    The attempt at the modern concept of ‘rational argument’ misses and denies the observation and ‘rational’ thinking processes of the Stoics of old. Rational thinking was not only based on what could be proved or disproved by logic (or the scientific method). It involved, and should still involve, what it is reasonable to believe in.
    The Stoics of old, through study, believed in the ability to be guided by ‘the gods’ through various means – in particular, none questioned the story of Socrates’ daemon that protected him from disasters. In this respect Stoicism includes a level of ‘revealed knowledge’. Denials of this is to deny the intimate and personal relationship the Stoic has with our god – for how could matters be otherwise seeing as how our individual consciousnesses are ‘sparks of the Divine Fire’.
    Stoics believe in the immanence of the Divine Fire if for no other reason than, by Stoic metaphysics, the Cosmos would not exist if the Divine Fire did not manifest it moment by moment – we are not talking of a god that snapped their fingers and created all that is, but of a god that is all that is. And through Stoic metaphysics we see an understanding of aspects of existence that science is only just starting to recognise.
    When we as Stoics look to what will help us through life we are not looking to some set of practices to make us ‘feel better’, we are seeking an understanding that we should be looking at how best we may fulfil our roles for the betterment of the whole. As actors on the stage of life we seek to work with the Playwright to produce a better play. Part of this involves improving our skills as an actor, but mostly it involves ensuring that any adlibbing we may do helps the play progress and does not detract from the intent of the Playwright.
    We can only do this if we recognise that we are part of the Playwright’s team – we can influence the progress of the play for good or for bad.
    Sai Baba used to say to his followers, “I am god and I know it, you are god only you do not know it.”
    As a Stoic I can say to those who deny the full teachings of Stoicism, “I am a spark of the Divine fire and I know it, you are sparks of Divine Fire only you do not know it.”

  5. Mike says:

    Interesting but not persuasive: if by “providential” he means some sort of mystical, magical, surpra-natural plan/telos to the universe, than – unfortunately for him – stocism fails in the face of what we know factually about reality. But his all or nothing approach doesn’t convince me as it didn’t convince even the ancient stoics who appear from the surviving texts to have been less than clear on the subject. See, for example, Tacitus:
    “[The Stoics maintain] that although things happen according to fate, this depends not on the movement of the planets (I.e., supernatural, mysterious forces at play in astrology) but on the principles and logic of natural causality. This school concedes to us the freedom to choose our own lives. With regard to practical matters they maintain that popular ideas of good and bad are wrong; many people who appear to be in dire circumstances are actually happy provided they deal with their situation bravely; others regardless of how many possessions they have, are miserable, because they do not know how to use the gifts of fortune wisely.”
    If, on the other hand, if by “providence” we mean causal determinism, then no problem. Now we are much closer to Sipinoza’s “Deus sive Natura”. Our job then is to recognize and embrace how the natural world operates and bring our own lives into line with that reality – “to live according to nature”.

  6. Mike is in line with my thinking. I particularly liked his last paragraph which is an excellent summary in so few words.

  7. Ricky Jones says:

    In truth I am struggling to understand why the issue of the mechanism by which the future unfolds is of any relevance at all to the issue of how we apply stoic ethical teaching.
    These days the sensible dog with high emotional intelligence is still swimming happily in the river of time dispensing virtuous ripples in all directions but unable to change the fact that he will be a mile downriver in half an hour and will never be able to change the river’s direction of flow.
    One needs, methinks, to be careful not to confuse the need to accept the premise that time flows inexorably and is outside our control with the need to invoke something that we may never know…….. (Whether the mechanism of how it flows involves chaotic chance, divine determinism or something in-between), in order to live according to the tenets of Stoic teaching.
    Personally I find spirituality all around me, in nature, the cosmos and my fellow human beings. I find direction from acting for the communities around me of which I am a tiny part, I do not feel the need to conjure up an anthopomorphic image to satisfy my desire for guidance and succour. Stoicism, Taoism, general philosophy, scientific knowlege and the school of hard knocks have sufficed to provide a system borne of experience to deal with the logs, crocodiles and other hazards in the river!

  8. Nigel Glassborow says:

    Mike says, “if by ‘providential’ he means some sort of mystical, magical, surpra-natural plan/telos to the universe”.
    This is typical wording from those who try to deny the Stoic view of the deity through attempted ridicule.
    Let’s take the quote provided from Tacitus:
    “[The Stoics maintain] that although things happen according to fate, this depends not on the movement of the planets (I.e., supernatural, mysterious forces at play in astrology) but on the principles and logic of natural causality.”
    ‘The logic of natural causality’ is according to Stoic teaching, the ‘active principle’ of the Divine Fire – a form of consciousness that is that which manifests the Cosmos moment to moment. Here we have the Stoic basis for our understanding of Providence.
    And: “This school concedes to us the freedom to choose our own lives.”
    Which leads to the idea of ‘causal determinism’ raised by Mike. ‘Causal determinism’ is a further misunderstanding of the Stoic teachings. ‘Causal determinism’ allows no place for the actor to adlib. Stoics do not believe that the past totally creates the present which totally creates the future. Stoicism involves a view of ‘soft determinism’.
    Cause and effect is a mechanical process that does not take into account conscious input. We as conscious beings living in the present are able to influence and direct the course of events that are within our sphere of control – the success of such influence and direction is limited by the actions and input of other ‘sparks of the divine fire’; by our evolved design and limitations; by the ‘bigger picture’ (that which the laws of science and nature impose on us) and the input of the Divine Fire as it manifests the Cosmos here and now.
    The Divine Fire is ‘the universal governor and manager of all things’ – it is the Playwright and we are the actors.
    I also am willing to use ridicule to make a point. Without reference to the whole of the Stoic teachings, causal determinism and Stoic ethics can be read as saying that the paedophile is as he is because his life is predetermined and that he should live according to his nature and strive to be the best paedophile possible.
    Fate (determinism?) and Providence are often misunderstood parts of the Stoic teachings. It is only by the recognition of the whole of the Stoic teachings that includes the Stoic understanding of the Divine Fire that the Stoic practices and ethics come into their own. Those who try to deny the Divine Fire clearly have no real understanding of Stoicism.

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  10. Nigel Glassborow says:

    The pingback from “On Gods and Stoicism | the laughing linden branch” asks, “they believed in a materialistic physics that described the universe as a sphere composed of four elements (fire, air, earth, and water) drifting through the void. Must I adopt this four element conception of the universe in order to be a Stoic?”
    Such blindness and not being able to see beyond the translated word! The ancients looked at the world from a different perspective. What was seen as elements we would now describe as qualities. Fire, air, earth, and water are the qualities of energy, gaseous, solid and liquid and in this respect the ancients were right to see such qualities in all that was around them just as we are also right to see such qualities around us today. To suggest that such ideas are outdated is to be irrational.
    In truth the challenge between Providence and atoms is a nonstarter. We now know that atoms do exist, but in the true sense of the word even these are not elements – they are simply ‘chemical elements’. Science is showing that the elemental basis of all matter is to be seen beyond that of atoms – as I have discussed before, we are looking at and beyond the very ‘fields’ of quantum science to the ‘finest matter’ of all – the Divine Fire as described by the Stoics of old.
    Advancing science has also helped confirm Stoic ideas about the Cosmos, the only difference is that we now know that the Cosmos is far larger than they could observe in their time, but this does not divert from the ideas about how the Cosmos is manifested here and now. There is no contradiction with the science of the evolution of the Cosmos – these are two different viewpoints – how the Universe was engineered to where it is today and how it is manifested from moment to moment.
    Study of the Stoic teachings in full, rather than the dogmatic rejection of what one does not understand due to some preconceived ideology and outdated understanding of where science is leading us, will lead to a greater understanding of the relevance of Stoic metaphysics.

  11. Angela Gilmour says:

    Brilliant – really helped me!

  12. Twittersdorf says:

    it is unfair to set Chris Fisher up in this fashion, to let Robertson rip him apart.

  13. Melville R. Alexander says:

    When I approach the whole idea as a thought experiment, instead of taking a stand for providence by leaving it up to the gods or by dismissing my tragic circumstances as just “Atoms” moving about. ….what if I remained very still
    To …. let me see if I can gain access to a deeper part of myself that wonders — if it makes a heartfelt wish or prayer to Apollo to help me overcome my predicament and to give me the direction to develop the necessary talent to do this…..by crying out to Apollo — who is harmony, reason and moderation itself.
    I find that when I think of these qualities of the Gods it sets in motion an osmotic process that brings these qualities to my psyche and a connection to what I will need to develop inside myself in order for me to have a chance at traversing through my difficulties.
    Just to engage in this process of thinking about Apollo and Hercules begins a metaphorical causal ignition that initiates the possibilities that sets these qualities that I will need to begin to mature inside of me.
    So, in some ways if there are no gods or just one God or no God then if it is of benefit and merit to create one as a conduit ,then — it is a compass and a tool that enables us….like software.

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